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[Moonbase_Alpha]

I know that the board is a bit quiet and this topic has been probably been done to death but:

1) Who would you push in the current C4 roster and why?
2) What storyline might draw for this person (persons)?

Something to think about...

[DieHard]

I honestly don't think Rahim Ali gets the recognition he deserves.  He's always mid-carding wherever he performs.  He definitely has the ability to be one of the top guys.

Both he and MVP would be guys I push strong.

[pete]

Now that Rahim has turned heel, I'm sure he'll "find" a way to get to the very top. (Latinos aren't the only ones who can lie, cheat, and steal!)

I would REALLY look forward to see Rahim take the gold from C*4's present Chump (not a typo) and have the gold around a local's waist, where it should REALLY belong.

For that matter, MVP or anyone else would look better as C*4 Champion - it's always better to have a local holding the belt, at least you can count on them being available to defend it.

[WhatAboutRaven?]

We know you don't like Kevin Steen.

You have to admit, in terms of C*4 shows, Steen has made himself pretty available since the first C*4 show considering how busy he is and how many shows he works for other promotions.  I've always felt Steen was a "hometown guy" in terms of C*4 and never once doubted that the C*4 belt should be around his waist.

[ZZTop]

so pete, in that logic, would you say that even though Terry Funk helped put the original ECW on the map but was not from Philly or the area, he wasn't deserving of the title because he wasn't local?? No hostility intended just asking

[Moonbase_Alpha]

Agreed for Rahim. He needs more victories under his belt first, to establish credibility/winning streak. Also, I love him for calling out that fan a few months ago and calling her a racist piece of sh*t.   

[ZZTop]

I think there are a few guys in C*4 that are great performers but I really don't think any of them are at the Plateau yet, where they can carry a "World title", I mean locals by that. I am sure Uno  could, in fact he has. But Rush, MVP, Ali or any of them I don't think have the necessary name to carry a big title and be a franchise yet. Out of all of them though, MVP is definitely the closest to that level.

[RotchyKongISW]

It's an indy.  With the right push, anyone can be champ.

[pete]

so pete, in that logic, would you say that even though Terry Funk helped put the original ECW on the map but was not from Philly or the area, he wasn't deserving of the title because he wasn't local?? No hostility intended just asking

No arguement here in that particular case, due to the fact that ECW was just a tad more mainstream than C*4. The day that it can be proven to me that Steen will put C*4 "on the map" in a sense equal to or better than what Terry Funk had done for ECW, I'll get down on my knees and tell him how sorry I was for all the mean things I said - NOT!   

[ZZTop]

In my opinion, Kevin has already put on on the map. You take a guy who has wrestled over in Japan, Ring of Honor, PWG, Iws and so on and so on. You make him a local champion, someone wrestling fans can relate to. Someone they have seen on  American TV and that elevated the title.  Can you name one other local promotion who has an international star as their champion??  Now to me, taking a regional title international, that would be mainstream. Also, when Terry was first in the ECW in 1993 they were on the  local public station. The equivalent of Rogers 22 here, it was only after they started selling out the venue, DUE TO PEOPLE LIKE TERRY FUNK, Crash the terminator, The headhunters and others. So to me, I feel Steen has elevated the title Higher than a local could AT THIS POINT. Now I don't want people thinking I am a Steen mark. I respect his ability in the ring, only an idiot wouldn't. I respect his promo skills, now his shooting on fans, maybe sometimes deserved, maybe sometimes not so much but you have to, as a local indy supporter, respect someone who carries the belt to another country to defend it. Those are my views, I could be wrong. I welcome any other opinions.

[Moonbase_Alpha]

To me, Steen has been impressive as C4 champ. In his previous promos, he's elevated our local title...trying to make it meaningful in other indy promotions. It makes the word of mouth all that more important and valuable to C4, to draw in fans from other feds. I say this makes a good champ in any federation/promotion where outside work is allowed.

Also, the go home driver is cool.

[gordo]

I agree with Rotch. ANYONE can, with the right push, be made a credible champion... even if that "credibility" is questionable in a kayfabe sense.

The only real issue with having someone like Steen as champ is whether he can make it to the shows he's needed on. (Some would argue that the champ is needed on every show.) It's only when the champ doesn't appear for extended periods or misses events he's advertised for that things can go awry.

Even a "local" guy who lives down the block from the venue may miss shows. Living in the vicinity is no guarantee of anything. Maybe his shoot job shifts got changed at the last moment and he has to no-show the event in order to keep his job & pay his rent. It happens.

As to Steen... What's this about defending the C*4 title in the states? Details please.

[Moonbase_Alpha]

True but findiing someone with the ring charisma (promo and work) to promote your fed as champ isn't easy. The more credible they are (kayfabe and not) the better the promotion looks.

[pete]

Steen would still have to do alot more than that to impress me. No doubt that C*4 is one of the top Indy promotions in Ontario, but it is nowhere near what you can call "mainstream", does C*4 have thier own TV show, or putting out pay-per-view events? No, it is just another Indy promotion. C*4 may be considered mainstream for those that spend alot of time on the internet, as C*4 is considered one of the better Indy promotions in Ontario and is getting attention from far and wide, but mainly on the internet. Like I said, Steen would have to do alot more to impress the hell out of me - his little stint at PWG is nothing compared to what Terry Funk had done for ECW.

C*4 has been listed as one of the top Indy promotions in Ontario - all because of Steen? Not likely.

So, changing the subject a little, what would be wrong with you being considered a Steen mark?  I take absolutely no offence if anyone calls me a Kwan Chang mark - I mark out for the wrestlers I like, regardless of what anyone thinks.

Even Claude Prest and Danny Linkin have their marks - hell - I'm a mark for The Outrider! 

[ZZTop]

I am not really a mark for anyone in particular. I respect what guys can do but  what it all boils down to is, they are human like you or I. I am not someone who is going to clammer for a pic or an autograph. I like certain performers more than others but "MARK OUT" as some put it, for anyone. There is nothing wrong with being a MARK for a talent, it is just , personally, not me

I agree that C*4 is one of the better indys in Ontario, I will also give it to you it is not all because of steen, it is because of Mark. He busts his ass, sometimes at his own expense to provide fans with a great show every time. You can see him before shows pacing around like a  nervous animal. He wants so bad to make the fans come back and to know their money is well spent. How many other promoters see their fans as peers and not dollar signs?? Someone like that who puts their every ounce of effort into a show I have to respect, I doubt any of us could do it, and as a token of respect I also respect his rescission to put Steen as a champion. I think he would know best what a majority of the fans would enjoy. Do you at least agree on that point?? Now basically it comes down to the fact that you hate Kevin Steen, and not without reason, I understand that. You cannot, however, let personal opinions cloud your sense of judgement when it comes to talent. I mean, I hate John Cena with a passion. I think he is worse than Triple H but I do have to respect his drawing power and the fact that he polarizes fans. You either love him or hate him, there is no grey. Kevin Steen has the same effect. You either love him or hate him. He he also has the drawing power that a few of the other guys have but he also has something not many of the local guys do. EXPERIENCE. He has overall experience and international experience as well as championship experience. Any other locals have that??.

I agree with the point that with the right push, anyone in an indy can be champion, that's why I like the indies. I can pay my money, sit back, and leave the decisions to the promoter, and always have fun